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i mean, anything is appreciated in a situation like this. it's a right thing to do. >> the team launched a go-fund me page. the coach said he's proud of these kids putting aside the rivalry for something real. >> that's good. stay with cnn for the latest on the murder of the texas deputy. it's time for news room with carol costello. >> hi. have a nice day. thank you so much. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the news room. >> cold-blooded assassination of police officers. >> the man accused of killing a texas deputy in a gas station ambush in court next hour. and this comment sparking major debate. >> all lives matter. cops lives matter, too. closing the gap. >> not only in iowa and new hampshire but all over this country we're generating enormous enthusiasm. >> bernie sanders sneaks up on hillary clinton in a new iowa
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poll. on the republican side, guess who is gaining on trump? plus, getting closer to a deflategate decision. patriots quarterback tom brady and league commissioner roger goodell due in court this morning. when the judge is expected to rule and what it could mean for the pats' season. let's talk live in the cnn "newsroom." >> good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining us. a cold-blooded execution that's how authorities describe the shoots death of sheriff deputy darren goforth who was gunned down in a texas gas station while filling up his patrol car. next hour the shooting suspect shannon miles expected to appear in court. the 30-year-old faces capital murder charges. it's point to important out that investigators are searching for a motive. the county sheriff believes goforth's death may be linked to black lives matter. >> ramps up to the point where
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calculated cold-blooded assassination of police officers happen, this rhetoric has gotten out of control. we've heard black lives matter. all lives matter. well, cops lives matter, too. why don't we drop the qualifier and say lives matter. and take that to the bank. >> in the meantime, the victim's wife describes the father of two as loyal and ethical and said goforth was an intimate blend of toughness and agajegentility. we join ed in texas. >> reporter: over the weekend we saw an outpouring of grief and support for the family of darren goforth. this comes as many people are struggling to understand what could have lead to the dead tly attack. nearly 1500 people marched in honor of slain texas deputy darren goforth sunday as the motive behind his execution-style killing remains
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a mystery this morning. >> we're asking for donations of blue ribbon. >> reporter: the houston suburb community where he worked banding together. it raised more than $120,000 over the weekend in support of his wife and two young children. >> i would want the family to know and they know that he was already a hero even before all this. he was a person that felt like he could make a difference. >> reporter: the suspect 30-year-old shannon miles is scheduled to appear in court today after gunning down the 47-year-old deputy in what police say was an unprovoked attack. authorities say the uniform deputy was refuelling his patrol car friday night at this chevron gas station when miles, caught on surveillance video came up behind him and opened fire. >> the deputy fell to the ground and the suspect continued to him and shot him multiple times. >> reporter: police say there's no evidence they ever crossed paths. the sheriff suggests the killing
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could be related to the uprising against police brutality. >> we've heard black lives matter. all lives matter. well, cops lives matter, too. why don't we drop the qualifier and say lives matter and take that to the bank. >> reporter: the wife of the 10-year veteran released a statement calling her husband an intimate blend of toughness and gentility. >> there are a few bad apples in every profession. it doesn't mean there should be open warfare declared on law enforcement. the vast majority of officers are there to do the right thing. >> reporter: and carol, we know that shannon miles has an extensive criminal history dating back the last ten years or so. nothing that rises to this level. he's charged with capital murder, as you know, in the state of texas could come with the death penalty. >> we'll check back with you next hour. some have criticized the sheriff for jumping to
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conclusions by linking deputy go forth's death to black lives matter. we tried to book someone on the show. a black lives matter organizer but she cancelled her appearance late last night. earlier today, though, activist deray sat down with cnn to talk about the shootings. i'll paraphrase. he said it's disappointing that the sheriff's deputy is continuing to accuse an entire group of people for a random act of violence. tensions do exist between hmany police officers and the communities they serve. on saturday protesters held a march in minnesota to raise awareness for victim s killed the hands of police. they were heard chanting "pigs in a blanket fry em like bacon." >> joining me now to talk about david titus, the saint paul police federation. he's on the phone and former
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police officer jonathan gillumm joins me on set. welcome to you both. i appreciate you being with me this morning. >> good morning. >> david, i want to start with you. just your reaction to the people chanting that outside of the state fair >>well, first off we send our prayers to houston. this is a disgusting act of violence. i want to say this, you know, words have consequences, and the chant that was being said, you know, here in saint paul was absolutely disgusting. it was ignorant. we've lost three officers just in my short career here. many more in the area. it's just disgusting and ignorant. >> what do you think these protesters meant when they said "fry em like bacon?" >> this is chant we've heard across the nation.
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we interpret it, and we believe very strongly it is meant that, you know, cops -- it's to promote violence on police officers, which is just absolutely outrageous. chants like this, chants like this and words like this have consequences. i think we're seeing that in a lot of, you know, individuals who in the worst case most outrageous case like what happened in houston. >> jonathan, do you agree with david? >> sure, i mean, look, this is a reality with all this stuff. it's not just very little to do with law enforcement or even the color of somebody's skin. this has to do with people not realizing the country in which they live freedom without
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service is dependency. and service without freedom -- and this is an important thing to think about here. service without freedom is slavery. if you are forced to serve without freedom you are a slave. that's the past. this country now you can be whatever you want to be. it doesn't matter if you're a woman, a man, black, or white. it doesn't matter what race or sex, you can be what you want to be. these people, these black lives matter, the law enforcement that is out there today, everybody needs to start serving each go away.d this nonsense needs to the person who you quoted there a minute ago from black lives matter saying that a group should not be qualified or judged on the actions of an individual. that's exactly what they're doing. they're doing the same thing as well. and i think what the officer said there in houston touched on it but didn't go far enough. the reality is, we are a country
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that are teetering on the brink of something great where we all realize this and come together as one society. if we don't go there now, it's going to go the other direction >>well, david, what would you say to the criticism there's no proof that this man in houston shot this sheriff's deputy because of black lives matter? we just don't know yet. >> i really don't have any comments on that. i guess my -- what i would say is this. there is this, you know, tsunami of negativity across the nation through social media, by major media, you know, which is very anti-law enforcement, and i think it has created this culture of, you know, somehow the cops became the bad guy. you know, case in point. this was a march that was allowed to go by our city lea r
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leaders and our department leaders allowing them to promote their cause and march during the busiest day at the minnesota state fair. where venders probably had an economic negative impact but that march allowed to go. they're protected by the same officers they were promoting, you know, acts of violence against. i just find it outrageous. >> and i understand that the folks at the minnesota state fair offered them a booth inside the fair grounds but they choose to march instead. >> that is my understanding. >> all right. i'm going to leave this there. thank you to you both. i appreciate it. on to politics now. an anti-establishment surge in the state critical to the race for the white house. i'm talking about iowa! caucus goers are the first people in the nation to get their picks for president. the new poll suggests the names clinton and bush are not on the short list. athena jones is here to break down the numbers. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol.
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clinton and bush may be a lot of things but they're not outsider candidates. and this poll is showing the appeal of those outsider candidates. let's pull up the democrats first. you see clinton with 37 percent of the vote. i believe we have a polygral grc there. sanders with 30% seven points behind clinton. clinton has lost a third of her supporters since may. if you go back to january, she has lost 19 points while sanders gained 25 points. you can see there the growing appeal of him and the declining appeal of her, at least there in iowa. sanders may have been -- he's been a long time senator from vice preside vermont but he's a devout socialist and he's running far to the left of hillary clinton. he talked about his appeal on "state of the union" on sunday. >> we're generatie inine ining enthusiasm. people don't understand why the
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middle class is collapsing. people do not like the idea that as a result of citizens united our campaign finance system has become corrupt. >> and now sanders, i should mention, is really appealing to first-time caucus goers. he's also leading clinton with people under the age of 45, and with independents. this is echoes of 2008, carol, when you remember clinton was far in the lead in iowa and ended up losing to barack obama. now, switching over to the republicans, you see there that we have trump leading with 23%. ben carson retired neuro surgery behind him at 18%. the thing they have in common? neither has ever held elected office. they are surging at the expense of wisconsin governor scott walker, who you see there at just 8%. he's lost quite a bit in the last several months. he was leading there.
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but this just shows that voters are really drawn to these candidates who are anti-establishment, who are not politicians, who are not acting like politicians in any sort of typical way. you see trump gaining and he's gaining in terms of fairvelvoray numbers. so despite the controversial comments, people really like what he has to say and he's striking a chord. carol? >> he certainly is. athena jones reporting live for us this morning. thank you. still to come want to track immigrants? chris christie has an idea. track them like fedex packages. what do a nascar® driver... a comedian... and a professional golfer have in common? we talked to our doctors about treatment with xarelto®.
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isis trying to blow up another ancient temp in syria. reportedly set off an explosion inside the temple. a 2,000-year-old site that some consider the most important. the iconic columns of the main
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structure appear to be still standing, which is good news for now. the full scope of the damage is still under investigation. just last week isis published photographs of the destruction of another ancient temple in syria. propose francis is urging we pray for those fleeing war-ranched countries. he called on people to work together to prevent tragedies like the death of the 71 migrants in the trunk on the vienna highway. many of those who survive the difficult journey to europe end up in places like this overcrowded train station where some say they're treated like animals. no showers, no shelter, and no way out. >> reporter: europe hasn't seen these numbers since world war ii. many of them finding themselves living in sheer grime and
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desperation as they try to make the treacherous journey. europe's migrant and refugee crisis spiraling dangerously out of control. tens of thousands of the most desperate trying to escape war, persecuti persecution, and death in their own countries. germany, france, and britain calling for an emergency meeting at the e.u. interior justice ministers to grapple with an escalading crisis of, quote, unprecedented proportions. the goal to establish welcome centers in greece and italy to house and screthousands who are fleeing war-ravaged countries. a record number of over 100,000 migrants and refugees from the middle east and africa flooding the e.u.'s borders just last month. the call for action following a tragic week as deaths mount. nearly 200 drowning and dozens
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of others missing off the coast of libya after two boats capsized while attempting to make the perilous journey across the mediterranean to europe's shores. the same a discovery. 71 dead migrants and refugees found inside an abandoned truck on a highway in austria. those inside including three young children died of suffocation. but the flood of humanity making the treacherous journey to europe in pursuit of a better life has scant options once they manage to cross the border. gut-krenching scenes like this from inside a hungary train station where hundreds of stuck in the state of limbo in budapest. tired, hungry, desperate, and left to languish in the heart of europe. hoping the road ahead will be better than the one they've left behind.
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those who can prove they are from iraq or syria are finally, today, being allowed to board trains on ward to austria and germany. something they are scrambling to do at this stage. afraid that the opportunity will go away if they take too long. that is providing little respite for the other nationalities who continue to be stuck here in the wrenched conditions. >> arwa damon reporting. questions about how to deal with the issue of undocumented immigrants are taking center stage in the 2016 campaign. scott walker tried to trump donald trump by insisting the united states should consider building a wall along the canadian border not just the u.s.-mexico border as trump suggested. in the meantime, chris christie trumped both a solution involving fedex. >> we let people come to this country with visas and the minute they come in we lose track of them. we can't -- so here is what i'm
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going to do. i'm going to ask the founder of fedex to work for the government for three months. >> for his part, christie said he was talking about using fedex's technology and not tracking people like packages. but this kind of talk is disturbing to reverend ryan eller. he writes in the huffington post, quote, the bible tells us to welcome strangers in our land and to love them as we love ourselves. that's why the media and all americans should immediately stop referring to our undocumented brothers and sisters as illegal. human beings are not illegal. they are god's children. reverend eller joins me now along with conservative columnist esse cup and staff writer michael warren. thank you to you. i appreciate your being here. >> thank you. reverend eller, i want to start with you. what disturbs you about the rhetoric being thrown around in our political world these days? >> well, i think the most important thing that disturbs me
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about it is it's just frankly dehumanizing and downright gross. it treats people as if they are packages to be shipped around and rhetoric like "alien" that is outdated renders people in some sort of permanent criminal class which has never been the case in america. these are people who are fleeing terrible situations of violence very often, and are in hope of the american dream just like many of our own ancestors were in previous decades. so scripture for us teaches us how we ought to treat the people with love and respect and leviticus says we ought to treat them as citizens. >> and you're not saying that we don't have a problem with illegal immigration in this country, right? >> well, sure, and, you know, i
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think when you talk to undocumented americans, they would argue, yes, there is a problem and part of the problem that is the system is fundamentally broken. when we are deporting over 100,000 people per year and separating families who simply wanted to be together and work and live out the american dream then there's a problem. when people don't have access to a way to obtain the citizenship in the country they love, especially in america, the land of immigrants then certainly there's a problem. >> and, reverend, can you call yourself a christian and talk about immigrants in this way in your mind? >> you know, not a bible-believing christian, for sure. the bible is actually pretty clear about this. it mentions immigrants and refugees over 50 times, and lays out, really, how we ought to treat one another as brothers and sisters and neighbors, and so i think we need to ask all of the political candidates and
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certainly all of us in america how our faith connects to the policies that we are promoting. and also, just the question of how do we define american? >> let's consider that question for donald trump. what might he say? >> well, i don't know, i mean, look, i think the reverend makes some good points about treating all people with respect, but let's not take this too far. are we going to stop calling, you know, convicted criminals convicts or people who steal thieves? i mean, we can go over board with sort of obsessing over language and miss the bigger point, which is that, yes, we're a nation of immigrants but a nafgs laws and a nation of borders. and those have to be respected, too. i mean, you know, the reverend can talk about, you know, whether it's christian to have this point or have that point to come from one position or another position. i'm not sure how compassionate it is to perpetuate a system
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that incentivizes people to, you know, cross borders and dangerous circumstances in many ways to give a lot of money to people who, you know, and the sort of drug trade who might not have the best interest at heart and to jump in line over people who have tried to do it through the legal way. i think this is something that is an important and complicated political issue that ought to be debated and, you know, perhaps we can say illegal immigrant instead of illegal. i don't think it's dehumanizing to refer to a legal status of somebody when we're discussing a important political issue. >> esse, your thoughts. there used to be a middle ground. now it's like a free for all. it's like call what you want. americans are angry about the issue >>well, i think there's a difference between some of the rhetoric, say, from trump and calling illegal immigrants what they are which is illegal immigrants. i think it does a disservice to legal immigrants and folks in
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the african-american community and folks of low-wage, low-skilled jobs of people competing with this pool of people. it does them a disservice to folks who are here legally as opposed to illegally. illegal immigration has been devastating for a large number of people in this country. the more important conversation to have as reverend eller points out to talk about the broken immigration system. not necessarily the legal status or the words that we use. and i'm sure i don't have to ted reverend eller about scripture advice for example romance 13: 1 which dictates submitting to government authorities. we're a country of laws. that's biblical. i think we need to be as broad as we can be when we talk about applying scripture to moderate day politics and not pick and choose the ones that make sense with our own sense of politics.
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>> and reverend, i thought jesus was such a rebel? >> well, not only was jesus a rebel, but jesus was an undocumented immigrant himself when he fled to egypt seeking persecution in his day. so the question becomes what we call jesus himself illegal if he were, you know, in our modern times? i actually believe that words do matter. i think what we call each other matters. at the time we started calling illegals illegal alien, which is two terms i don't think we should be using anymore, we were also calling native americans savage indians. and i just think that kind of language is antiquated and we need to get rid of it. for more accurate terms, actually, like unauthorized or undocumented. because you know what we call each other impacts how we treat each other.
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it impacts how we have this conversation. we have this conversation treating people like human beings or do we have it, you know, in some sort of nebrasvac? >> thank you so much. still to come heart broken and defiant. the parents of a tv reporter murdered on live tv say they will not be intimidated in their new mission. their fight in their own words just ahead.
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schools salem high and virginia tech. the parents of adam's colleagues slain reporter allison park eer proving tirele in their campaign for tougher gun laws. they spoke about the self-prescribed crusade that is the new focus of their lives. >> we cannot be intimidated. we cannot be pushed aside. we cannot be told that this fight has been fought before and that we're just one more grieving family trying to do something. because i have looked in the camera on other interviews and i've said if you were a parent, if you're a mother, if you have children, can you look your child in the eye and say we're willing to allow you to be collateral damage in order keep what some people perceive as their constitutional rights? if we as a society, if we as a
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society are willing to do accept that, what kind of society are we? >> and now we're passionate about it, you know, that's it's the only thing that has given me strength right now to go take on this cause because, you know, i know that somewhere she would be looking down saying you go dad! this is -- this is what she would want me to do. >> i can just -- i can see out -- >> this is her fight. >> it is her fight. i can see alison sitting there going like -- because that's what she would do. there are people out there whose minds we will never change. they're the people that are unimportant in this fight. the people who are important in this fight are the silent majority who feel the way we do that some kind of gun control
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measures are necessary. >> the parkers have also been hearing from other parents who have lost their children to gun violence. one message in the form of an open letter in the new york daily news. it's from the mother of 6-year-old dylan among the 20 school children shot to death at sandy hook elementary school. she encourages the parkers to consider poring their heigarts into the fight against gun violence. please use your emotions, your love for the daughter, and the pain gcaused by the gaping hole in your life and focus them on this issue. once you've been touched by violence -- she joins me new live. good morning. >> good morning. you listened to the parkers, what goes through your mind, miss hockley? >> i hear myself and so many others in their voice. they have joined this club that
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no one wants to join, but sadly more people join every single day and our voices are growing stronger but that pain is still there. action needs to be taken. >> action needs to be taken, but, you know, there's this sense out there that nothing is being done. is that what we should think? >> no. that's part of the problem. in crossing the united states and talking to different people on this issue, people who have been involved in it long before i became involved two and a half years ago, people since sandy hook. there's been overwhelming feeling it's a hopeless issue and that people feel helpless to do anything about it. that's not true. there are always actions you take, whether you choose to elect political leaders who care about this issue or whether you want to do something in your community to prevent violence treating people how to recognize
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the signs of threats and behaviors and intervene before. you have to do it and not just sit on the sidelines. >> yeah. i want to share some statistics with our users. this is according to the law center to prevent gun violence. you're right there has been some progress. since newtown about the same number of laws 64 have strengthen state gun regulations as those that have weakened them. that number is 70. that's not including 38 newly enacted gun laws that have a minimal impact on gun violence, but that is movement. now you notice from the statistics these are all state actions none of them took place at the federal level. you heard andy parker he's far from conciliatory. he wrote an op-ed calling up virginia lawmakers for not tightening control. one had no problem cashing his check on the national rifle association. shame on him. says another has been a constant
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opponent of sensible gun reforms such as expanded background checks during his nearly 20 years in the state senate. he's using mining strong langua >> we're all on a crusade together. he's still in his grief. i don't think that gun control is the soul answer here. without a doubt, we need legislation to ensure that people who should not have access to firearms don't, but it's more about how can we prevent the violence before it happens. we as a country need to change our behavior and our path of acceptance of the gun violence on a daily basis. if we change our behaviors, legislation has no choice but to follow. legislation doesn't make a behavior change. people make the behavioral change. >> nicole hockley, thank you for joining me. i appreciate it.
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we want to take you right to the capital of ukraine. a massive demonstration outside of parliament has erupted in deadly violence. look at that. phil black joins us from london to tell us more. hi, phil. >> reporter: hi. we're seeing a violent scene. you can see from the video there are huge crowds. you can hear a big explosion, smoke, and members of the security forces injured being dragged away. the country's interior minister tells us now that one of those
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national guardsmen was also killed by gunfire. a gunshot wound to the heart. he says that's in addition to some 90 people injured in the blast, some of them critically. the move to around around 30 people including someone that threw one of the explosive devices and said to be carrying more explosive devices. this is all about a law that was being voted on in the country's parliament today. the people protesting they are supporters of the right wings for voter freedom party. they don't approve of the government making any sort of concessions to the separatists in the east of the country who have been fighting more than a year for independence. but today parliament was considering a law that would grant the separatists regions in the east greater self-governance. it's a key part of what is known as the minsk agreement. there hasn't been a lot of peace in the east of the country. there's daily violence there. the concession for greater self-governance is a key part of
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any plan going forward. it passed the first vote in the country's parliament. it has a second vote coming up in a few months. >> phil black, i appreciate it. i'll be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] he doesn't need your help. until he does. three cylinders, 50 horsepower. go bold. go powerful. go gator.
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i know a lot of people have problems with the police. but i really hate police strippers.
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yeah. you guys know what i'm talking about. they come to your house. you think you're getting arrested, and you just get a lap dance that is usually uninspired! >> okay. that was rebel wilson delivering one of the most controversial moments at last night's annual mtv music video awards. the australian actress made light of issues we're seeing in the headlines with police, and, boy, did she set the twitter world on fire. community organizer tweeted police violence isn't a joke as the deaths of tamir rice, rekis boyd, freddie gray, microbrown, and mya hall remind us. marc malkin, correspondent for e! news joins me. good morning. >> good morning. >> i have to say the reaction to rebel wilson's bit kind of surprised me. >> you know, you could look at the entire show and probably within like every 15 minutes of
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the show there was another controversy. you know, the rebel wilson thing i think people thought, oh, my god, this is funny, she's talking about strippers. when you took a good look at it, you're like this could offend a lot of people. and i think that happened a lot last night. >> oshths, it really, really did. should we talk about the public feud that played out right in front of the cameras between -- well, first between taylor swift and nicki minaj and they seemed to sort of mend fences, right? >> that was such a great moment. i have to tell you, i was in the theater. i was smack dab in the center of the audience. i saw this all go down. it was so much fun. you know, there were rumors, i think it started in the morning, someone said wait until you see nicki's show. someone is coming out at the end. i thought it was going to be taylor or miley. it was such a great moment. i ran over to taylor after the performance and said this was amazing. how did you guys do it? she said it was so much fun. one thing she didn't know was
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nicki was going to be dropping to the floor and shaking her bum. she rehearsed it seven times and nicki never did that. >> but then came this moment when nicki minaj lashed out at host miley cyrus every something she said a couple days ago. let's listen. >> back to business [ bleep ]. had a lot to say about me the other day in the press. miley, what's good? >> oh, man. i wanted to hear what miley cyrus said back. >> i have to tell you, it was so uncomfortable in the audience. my husband and i looked at each other going what is going on? are they going to just break out in a fight? now, what i have heard later on is that nicki was trying to make a joke about the situation, and she was trying to sort of lighten the mood about it, but apparently miley either didn't appreciate the joke or didn't know about the joke, and she was
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angry. i'm told she was backstage cursing up a storm. she was not happy about that. >> well, just refresh our memories. what exactly did miley cyrus say about nicki minaj? >> you know, this gets really confusing because there's a lot of feuds that went on and no one really know where is they originated at this point, but basically what happened was miley criticized nicki for being, quote, unquote, angry about the vmas when nick cash la lashed out about it saying if she was a different shape a different color she'd be getting more nominations. miley went on and said nicki is not a nice person so she's not surprised she said these things. there is a feud brewing. i think the big question is going to be like was it scripted? was it not? from what i understand that little exchange was not scripted. >> so perhaps the most -- well, i wouldn't say controversial, but surprising moment of the night came from kanye west. let's listen. >> and, yes, as you probably
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could have guessed by this moment, i have decided in 2020 to run for president. >> this came after this rambling acceptance speech of the michael jackson award. no one could tell if he was serious or not. >> this was another one where, again, mouths dropped to the floor, heads were being scratched. we were all going what? what exactly is going on? we're like -- at the end i was like is he happy he got this award because i really can't tell. now this whole i'm going to run for president in 2020, i think half the world thinks he was joking. half the world thinks he's serious. i put on my instagram right away, i think him and miley should run as a team in 2020. i think that would be the ultimate campaign. >> no, i thought he was going to run with taylor swift, but perhaps i'm wrong there. >> you know, listen, we've seen donald trump, we've seen what he's been doing. i wouldn't be surprised if kanye west says you know what? i'm going to run for president.
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you know, it would be an interesting 2020. >> yes, it would. and you're right, marc, nothing would surprise me anymore on the political front. thanks so much. marc malkin, correspondent for e! news joining me live. the next hour of cnn "newsroom" after a break. you premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise...
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. we begin with what police describe as a cold-blooded execution. any minute now we're expecting this man, shannon miles, to appear in a courtroom. the 30-year-old is suspected of ambushing and gunning down texas deputy darren goforth. a ten year deputy and father of two. he was shot multiple times while pumping gas into his patrol car
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on friday. investigators are still searching for a motive but the county sheriff says he believes goforth's death may be linked to black lives matter. >> any point with a rhetoric ramps up to a point where calculated, cold-blooded assassination of police officers happen, this rhetoric has gotten out of control. we've heard black lives matter. all lives matter. well, cops' lives matter, too. why don't we just drop the qualifier and just say lives matter and take that to the bank. >> in the meantime, the victim's wife describes him as loyal and ethical and says goforth was, quote, an incredibly intricate blend of toughness and gentility. joining me to talk about this, tom fuentes and paul callan. thank you both for being with me. paul, i want to start with you. what will happen in the courtroom today? >> well, not likely a lot. there will be a decision on bail which will be just that he's remanded until trial because it's such a serious charge. we could hear one thing.
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prosecutors have been very closed-mouth about evidence relating to motive here. did the suspect say anything to anybody indicating that this was a targeted killing of a police officer? and it could be that they just don't have any evidence of this. it could also be that they reveal something at arraignment today. >> it's funny you bring that up because i wanted to both to listen to something from devon anderson, the harris county, texas, district attorney. she said this over the weekend. let's listen. >> it is time for the silent majority in this country to support law enforcement. there are a few bad apples in every profession. that does not mean that there should be open warfare declared on law enforcement. >> doesn't that intimate, ball, she has some kind of evidence that this deputy was targeted? >> not necessarily. i mean, i think that common sense says to us when a police officer in uniform is shot in
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the back by someone, you know, who has maybe no other apparent motive, the fact nefs a uhe was uniform and he's a cop, that's a strong suggestion it might be part of the killing. i don't think you need somebody to say something for a normal person to draw that inference. >> we don't know much about this suspect, tom. we don't know if there's a connection between this deputy and this suspect. the suspect had a long criminal history but it wasn't particularly violent. what do you make of this? >> i think, carol, i agree with what paul said. common sense would tell you when an assassination takes place, the officer was not engaged in an enforcement operation trying to arrest somebody or a traffic stop or arrest an armed robber or break up a family disturbance. pumping gas and walking back to his police car when this happened. so, you know, it would be sensible to say there must be some mow sif behitive behind th
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think the sheriff has been widely disquoted. he didn't say the political organization black lives matter is responsible. he said the rhetoric surrounding people who are saying things like that is partially responsible for the anti-police sentiment that's going on in this country, and when you see protests over the weekend in st. paul talking about frying pigs, frying bacon. when you hear the protests that took place in new york last fall where people were chanting, what do we want? dead cops. when do we want them? now. we've got some borderline people. we know we have some sick people in our society of all races, but, you know, there are people out there that get inspired by that kind of stuff. words matter. rhetoric and the public discourse matters, and it can inspire extra amount of violence against police officers. >> okay. so let's get into that just a bit because you're right, tom, some have criticized the county sheriff for jumping to conclusions by linking deputy goforth's death to black lives
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matter. earlier today an activist spoke to cnn and said he believes the sheriff is unfairly placing blame. >> it's disappointing that sheriff hickman has continued with this prejudicial policing where he made these statements before any investigation is actually taken forth. the only charge rhetoric of the movement has been about holding officers accountable, fair police contracts and independent investigators and body cameras. that is the only rhetoric of the momp movement. it has been specifically about ending violence. hickm hickman's statements again are prejudicial. he's not conducted an investigation yet but he's accusing an entire group of people for a random act of violence. >> so tom, i know you said the sheriff wasn't accusing an entire group of people, but the black lives matters movement thinks the sheriff was definitely doing that. but, again, you're right, tensions do exist between -- >> if i could add to that. >> i want to get into what happened in minnesota because this is interesting and you brought this up. on saturday those protesters
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held a march in minnesota to raise awareness for the victims killed at the hands of police. at one point, tom, as you said, some demonstrators were heard chanting, pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon. pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon! pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon! >> pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon. tom, is that sort of rhetoric dangerous? >> absolutely it's dangerous. we have people in our society who it doesn't much to put them over the edge to assassinate a public figure or kill someone who belongs to a different race than they do or a different political organization. it doesn't take much for some people to get motivated to do something terrible, and that certainly is part of it. if i could add one more thing, part of what concerns the police and many people is that the movement has made a saint out of michael brown who is an individual that committed three violent crimes in ten minutes,
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including attacking a police officer twice trying to take his gun away from that officer while punching him in the face and getting his hand shot and then turning around and charging at that officer another time. a small army of fbi agents and department of justice civil rights attorneys said that shooting was justified. so this continued rhetoric that michael brown is some saint and hero of the movement shouldn't be. >> okay. so joining me on the phone right now is rashad anthony turner. he helped organize that protest you just heard in st. paul, minnesota. thank you so much for joining me. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> so what did protesters mean when they were chanting, pigs in blanket, fry them up like bacon? >> well, first off, we want to send our condolences to the officer down in houston that was killed. nothing that we're doing is promoting violence. there's been an uproar over the rhetoric or what's called
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rhetoric by those who favor white supremacy. the problem with that is that we don't see the same uproar when every 28 hours a black body is killed. so we're out fighting for justice. we had a peaceful protest and we really feel that, you know, trying to connect to us a random act of violence and just, you know, something crazy like that is taking away from our movement. we're peaceful. that's what we're about. we're tired of being killed. so we're going to use our voices and, you know, the words we use or the chants that we use might not be accepted by all people, but we know we need to do that in order to get -- >> rashad, but why rhetoric like that? i interviewed a police officer's organization from minnesota earlier this morning, david tighto titus was the man's name. he said this was a chant we heard across the nation, we interpret it, and we believe it's meant to promote violence on police officers which is just
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absolutely outrageous. chants like this and words like this have consequences. so if police believe that, why use words like that in these protests? is it really necessary? >> i mean, and i don't think that, you know, we need to be worried about, you know, what systems of oppression, systems like the police, our police departments, especially not st. paul police department. they're the most deadly police department in the state of minnesota. so i think that there needs to be more attention paid to how we can reform our criminal justice system. i mean, the climate in this country right now between police and black people and other communities of color is horrible. >> i think though even police officers would say things are not perfect, and some police departments across the country are working to change that. i want to bring in tom fuentes once again because he feels very strongly about language like this. so, tom, what would you like to say to rashad. >> it's not just the language of it, but i think many of the
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people who are criticizing the rhetoric, including members of the black community like peggy hubbard last weekend, are saying, wait a minute, we don't hear the same outcry for the black people that are being shot every day on the streets of washington, d.c., baltimore. we didn't hear any rhetoric when 9-year-old jamil la was shot and killed sitting on her bed in ferguson last week and her mother was wounded. they're saying where is the outcry for that? for these communities it's the police that are standing between the people with guns and their children and members of the community that are killing other black people. and what the police are asking for is give them some support, work out a reasonable method of working together to stop this violence because most of the victims are black, and they're not dying in droves at the hands of white police officers. they're dying in droves at the hands of other young black men on the streets of these communities carrying guns and using them. >> see, tom, i think that you
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are an intelligent person to where, you know, the myth of black on black crime, i mean when is the last time you reported on white on white crime? so the idea that black on black crime is what we should be focusing on, every 28 hours a cop is killing one of us and that's the things that we try to focus on. it's not about, you know, just we need to focus on black on black crime. everybody should be just as upset when every 28 hours another black person is killed. we don't hear that same uproar from you guys, from other people who are pretty much in favor of the way things stand. if police departments really want to bring an end and change the climate, they can change policies. we can have criminal justice reform that, you know, is keeping us from getting killed every 28 hours. this is really about a black body is dying at the hands of white police officers every 28 hours. >> okay. >> i just want to inject some
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facts into the conversation and we'll just parse these, right? so according to the national law enforcement officers memorial fund, there have been 18 firearms related deaths on law enforcement officers this year. that's actually down from the same period last year. and according to "the washington post," 24 unarmed black men have been shot and killed by police so far this year and to put that in perspective, that is about 1 every 9 days. tom, when you hear statistics like that, does it change your mind in any way? >> no. there are some cases where a white police officer has been wrong in killing a black person, but some of these statistics also are talking about an unarmed black person who jumps on a police officer, wrestles him. in some cases former football players, and the officers -- >> tom, that's -- >> all they have to do is comply. don't attack the police and you won't be killed in most situations. >> the narrative that the police
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officers spew every time they kill someone, it sounds the same. so to take a police officer's word, i mean, police are paid to lie. it's okay for them to lie. so we can't just live in an era now where the police are automatically right. >> no, they're not paid to lie. but you're right, each case should be investigated as a standalone investigation like the shooting of michael brown, and if the facts determine that the officer was correct in the judgment he made, then back that up. at least be fair and honest with that and then everybody else might be more fair and honest with their assessment. so you're right, each case should be investigated, and if the officer behaved improperly, he should be prosecuted and we are seeing that in multiple prosecutions of police officers for excessive force, excessive deadly force in many of those cases, so we do see that. but what most police officers are saying is look at -- be fair. >> all right. i'll have to leave it there. rashad anthony turner, tom
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fuentes, paul callan, thanks to all of you. still to come in the "newsroom," anti-establishment candidates on a tear with voters nationwide. what does it mean for insiders like hillary clinton and jeb bush? is a shake-up in order or has it already happened? we'll talk about that next. asl. look what i got. oh my froot loops! [sniffs] let's do this? get up! get up! get up! get up! loop me! bring back the awesome yeah! yeah! yeah! with the great taste of kellogg's froot loops. follow your nose! i'm supposed to tell you how it feels when you book the perfect family vacation on hotels.com. but i think he's kinda nailing it. (music) hotels.com. they don't need me right now.
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their names were not on anyone's political radar is year ago, about you now donald trump and ben carson are holding a commanding lead over the republican rivals in iowa, a state critical to any candidate's hopes for taking the white house. cnn's sara murray joins me to walk us through the numbers. good morning. >> good morning, carol. when you dig into this new des moines register poll in iowa, you really get a sense of the anti-establishment surge. if you look at donald trump's numbers, he's still on top of the field, drawing 23% support. but you see there ben carson nipping at his heels with 18%. if you combine the two of them together, you're talking about 4 in 10 likely republican caucusgoers supporting the
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outsider candidates. you can see there these more establishment guys, scott walker at 8%, ted cruz at 8%. they were hoping to cast themselves as the outsiders, not being able to make that pitch in iowa. jeb bush and marco rubio down at 6 thrs. we're sort of seeing this play out on the democratic side as well. if you look at how the democrats are doing in iowa, you see hillary clinton is still on top of the pack. she is 37%, but this lead is quickly evaporating. now bernie sanders is just 7 points behind her with 30% support. joe biden at 14% support. if you are team hillary and you're looking at these numbers, they're sort of a mental barrier there. it's the first time she's fallen about -- below 50% support. i want to look back at donald trump who shot to the top of the polls unexpectedly. the interesting thing in the latest poll about how trump is doing, really his favorability numbers. if you take a look, he's over
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60% on the favorability side. 61% view him favorably now in august. almost the entire reverse from when he in may, even before he announced, you see there 27% viewed him favorably in may. 63% had an unfavorable view of him. pretty remarkable how he's been able to turn that around. carol? >> absolutely. so sara, stick around because i want to dig deeper into the poll numbers. first, i want to talk -- i don't think this is possible, but could he be the front-runner about five years from now? i'm talking about kanye west. >> i don't know what i can lose after this. it don't matter though because it ain't about me. it's about ideas, bro. new ideas. people with ideas. people who believe in truth. and, yes, as you probably could have guessed by this moment, i have decided in 2020 to run for
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president. >> so west's declaration caused some to wonder. politico said, it was not immediately clear if west was serious. the daily beast said although west was likely joking, his candidacy would be far more polarizing and entertaining than trump's. the hill noted west has jumped into the political pool before pledging his support for the democratic ticket. plus he did attend a hillary clinton fund-raiser earlier this month with his wife, kim kardashian. they have the selfie to prove it. a reality tv star leads the gop pack and look how vladimir putin is selling himself on the world's stage. flexing his muscles literally and figuratively. take that, ukraine. let's touch on that and more substantive issues.
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joining me now to talk about this, larry sabado and sara murray is with me. larry, i am not taking west seriously, but he and putin reinforce the cartoon nature of politics these days. can any serious candidate with an actual agenda be successful? >> well, as far as kanye west is concerned, maybe he'll ignite the music world and invite taylor swift to be his vice presidential candidate. i don't know if that feud is still ongoing, but, carol, obviously you were kidding as well. >> yes. >> in no serious universe will kanye west ever be president. maybe in some bizarro parallel universe but not the one we live in. as far as what's happening, look, serious candidates with strong, well-prepared agendas will always be favored for the presidency assuming they have enough financial backing. that's the key, and that's where celebrities come in because they
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have name i.d., they have loads of money. most of them don't have a serious platform, but when you get one with a serious platform, then they can take off. >> interesting. so sara, i will not ask you about kanye west because i like you too much. >> appreciate that. >> it was funny though. i want to talk about bernie sanders because he pulled within, what, seven points of hillary clinton in this iowa poll. he's another outsider. he has an actual agenda. so can we compare his surge to, let's say, donald trump's who doesn't quite have his agenda down yet? >> yeah, it is interesting. i think we are seeing this sort of anti-establishment moment, and that's what's fueling both sides of the ticket, interestingly enough. but i also think a lot of what we're seeing with bernie sanders is an anti-hillary clinton vote in a way that we're not seeing as much on the republican side. the republicans have a lot of different options and for some reason trump is still able to coalesce so much support, but on the democratic side, the view is really that clinton was going to
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harness this support and this should be a relatively simple run for her, and that is proving to not be the case, and we are already starting to hear comparisons to 2008 when a lot of people thought hillary clinton's got this in the bag, it's going to be no problem. she's not going to have any issue with barack obama and we clearly saw that wasn't the case. now, team hillary has spent a lot of time trying not to relive 2008. i'm sure these numbers are not making them feel great taemeat moment. >> is it fair to make those 2008 comparisons at the moment? >> it's a little early for it. i understand why people are saying it. i do think there's another factor at work here that does tie the two parties together. everything sara said is absolutely accurate. but remember just a few months ago, carol, what was everybody projecting for the 2016 race? another clinton/bush contest. two different candidates, hillary and jeb, but look what's
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happening. hillary has fallen hard and jeb bush is tied for what, fourth or fifth? so things have changed dramatically, and there has been a reaction against dynasty or oligarchy or blue tock ra si, wharf you want to call it. >> the other thing, sanders talks about the growing wage gap and it's clearly resonating with some constituents on the democratic side. he cape out against nafta and the transpacific partnership. he wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. he called for higher taxes and free tuitions for students attending public universities. so sara, does that mean hillary clinton should take a sharper left turn? >> well, i think part of this is bernie sanders deciding i am going to rally the coal lis lition to the left of hillary clinton and we've seen her sort of try to figure out how to win some of those voters back but there's another raelth herreali here, too, and if you look at the polling people don't believe hillary clinton necessarily understands their problems and their concerns.
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she's had a little bit of softness in those numbers, and i think that's an area where bernie sanders sort of sees an opening to say, look, i understand your problems. i'm not a clinton, i'm not part of a dynasty, i'm just kind of like a regular guy and feels like he can speak to those issues maybe a little bit better than she can. >> sara murray, larry sabado, thanks very much. and larry, thanks for commenting on kanye west. i do appreciate it. i like to put larry on the spot like that. sometime today the state department is due to release its largest collection of e-mails from hillary clinton's server. toda today's release is sure to stoke the controversy. there's no parsing of words from former vice president dick cheney. he calls hillary clinton's handling of the e-mail sloppy and unprofessional. he sat down with cnn's jamie gangle to publicize his new book "exception "exceptional: why the world needs powerful america."
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>> i found it surprising that somebody as high ranking as the secretary of state is dealing with classified and sensitive information all the time, would think that it was okay to have a private server in your home where you put, you know, information and so forth, where you send e-mails. >> so how would you describe her handling her e-mails that way, in a word? >> well, i think it was sloppy and unprofessional. that it reflects a lack of understanding about how easy it is for adversaries to tap into communications, to get involved, for example, obviously in reading e-mail as we know is now very extensive. the chinese recently picked up the files of everybody who is currently working for the federal government. now, the situation, it strikes me maybe she went into it ignorant but i find that hard to believe, she's an intelligent woman, she spent a lot of time in the white house. you should not operate in the way she did, and i have got to believe it was not consistent
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with the u.s. state department personnel. it certainly wasn't consistent apparently with the way we handle classified information in the federal government. >> she should have known better. >> i think she should have known better. >> you think the rigsussians an her chinese have her e-mails? >> they have my personnel records. how can they got have her e-mails? >> do you think it undermines or disqualifies her candidacy? >> i think there's a very real possibility of that. >> i know you're not in the business of giving the democratic party advice, but what do you think of joe biden and do you think he should get in the race? >> i'd love to see joe get in the race. >> because? >> go for it, joe. he's tried twice before. he's obviously interested. i think there's a lot of support for him in the democratic party. it would stir things up. they're short candidates. i would urge joe to have a shot at it. >> who is a more formidable candidate, biden or clinton? >> there was this notion that
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hillary had sort of inherited the nomination, that nobody could really challenge her for the nomination. i think that's now pretty well gone by the boards because of her problems, and i think that's why there's potential support out there. so she does have some opposition now, and my bet is joe is going to run. >> and you can watch all of jamie gangel's interview tomorrow on "anderson cooper 360." still to come, alaska's beauty is a sobering backdrop for president obama's urgent message on global warning. that's not the only controversy waiting for him.
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dependent on the production of fossil fuel that many experts blame. add another controversy over a beloved landmark. cnn's michelle kosinski is live at the white house to tell us more. good morning. >> hi, carol. i know we're going to see some brilliant scenes, some beautiful backdrops there. the president is going to be on a glacier at one point, a shrinking glacier, wanting to make the point that climate change is real and happening according to this administration. he's going to be visiting communities, talking to local people, announcing some new initiatives on both the environment and helping local peoples there, but, yeah, there's some controversy, too. first of all, the fact that the obama administration just allowed shell to do some exploratory drilling up there off of alaska. environmental groups are upset about that. some calling it hypocrisy, and also the naming of mt. mckinley, renaming it denali. that's something that local peoples have called it long before it was called mt. mckinley, but republicans are
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reacting to it. the house speaker just called it deeply disappointing. republicans in ohio where president william mckinley was from is calling it a political stunt and saying that it's constitutional overreach, and another instance of the president going beyond congress to just name it something that he wants to name it. but the white house is insisting that the department of interior has that authority, to change the name, and you have to consider, too, that alaska itself has been asking for the name change since the 1970s. so the white house wanted to use this opportunity to talk climate change, to please the local population there, and to really try to show people what is happening, carol. >> all right. michelle kosinski reporting live from the white house this morning. thank you. a potentially significant boost today in the world's energy supply. an italian exploration company says it has found, quote, a super giant field of natural gas beneath the mediterranean sea. the company says it covers an
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we want to take you right now to the capital of ukraine where there is a massive demonstration outside of parliament. it erupted in deadly violence and chaos. phil black has been following this story from london. he joins us now. tell us more, phil. >> reporter: we're seeing dramatic pictures out of kiev outside the country's parliament today with a considerable -- considerable figures that point to the degree of violence we're seeing, 1 dead, 90 injured following a protest outside that country's parliament where it looks like one person has thrown an explosive. you can see the crowds, you can hear a blast, smoke rising and security forces being dragged away. those that were injured. it's one of those security forces that was injured in this apparent domestic terror attack of some kind. the crowd there, they are nationalists, right wing party supporters who do not approve of the party making any concession to the forces that are trying to
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break away from ukraine in the east of the country. those separatists who many believe are fighting with russia's support. today the country's parliament was voting on a law that would give those regions some degree of autonomy, self governance. it's part of a peace plan that was agreed back in february. this legislation would be a key part of moving that peace plan forward, but as we can see from the violence on the streets ever kiev today, it does not have unanimous support, not even close to it. ukraine is very much a divided country, not just with the separatists, pro-russian separatists in the least but also the nationalist forces in the west. this is the delicate balancing act that the president is trying to walk. the tough job of trying to balance off these two opposing forces. that legislation passed just before the explosion took place, but it has to pass a second vote in the country's parliament in a few months' time, carol. >> phil black reporting live for us this morning. thank you. to the missing malaysian airlines plane, authorities are
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toss out the nfl playbook. deflategate is in unchartered territory. tom brady is facing a four-game suspension and roger goodell summoned back to federal court for a hearing in 15 minutes. this is probably the last best chance for both sides to reach a settlement before the judge rules on brady's suspension for using under inflated footballs. let's bring in cnn's sports anchor rachel nichols and from ft. lauderdale sports attorney dave cornwell. rachel, what do you think will happen today? >> we have entered into month eight. i just want to remind everyone. that's where we are now. look, there's two things that could happen today. either judge berman could actually make a ruling from the bench. neither side has been close in settlement talks. this is his last chance to see everyone in court before the end of the week when he said he would rule anyway.
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there is a chance that he could make a decision today. however, there is also a good chance that he could once again try to push these sides to settle. he not only has brought in roger goodell and tom brady physically to court, he's asked john mara, the owner of the new york giants, to be there today as well. >> what? >> mara is the guy who oversaw a lot of deflategate investigation from the ownership side. he's also, don't forget, roger goodell's boss. he's one of 32 guys who are roger goodell's -- the people roger goodell reports to. this is a way for judge berman to again say, hey, guys, you have to settle. if i'm not getting anywhere with roger goodell, you say i need to speak to your manager. kind of what's happened here today. >> david, your thoughts? >> well, i don't think there's going to be a settlement, and i think we are kind of missing the real story. this is less about tom brady to the national football league players association than it is
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about the next round of collective bargaining. they view these high-profile cases as an opportunity to make an agreement they lost in collective bargaining the last time regarding commissioner authority. so this case is a chance for them to continue to chip away at the wall of commissioner authority, and this is a five-year plan for them. so in 2020 they can say look at all this history about the commissioner's authority. the issue to the judge should be to follow the law, and if the judge follows the law, the nfl should win because the question is whether the commissioner acted reasonably. and the best evidence here is probably the absence of evidence. and this evidentiary void of what tom knew is created by the fact he threw out his phone, and there is a legal principle that enables the commissioner to presume that tom destroyed his phone because the evidence in it would have hurt him. so i don't think there will be a settlement. ult may imately the judge will .
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he will rule in the nfl's favor if he follows the law but the next time the commissioner exercises authority will be here again. >> if the judge rules in favor of roger goodell that means tom brady won't be playing in first game. >> absolutely. although tom brady can and would appeal to the second sirte because we have to have this go on longer, right? we would expect both sides to then appeal. as david points out, this is about more than tom brady. this is about precedent and going forward. this is something that neither side wants to lose, even long after tom brady does or doesn't serve this four-game suspension. now, there's a lot of people who would disagree on the nfl pa side with david's analysis that this is a slam dunk legal case for the nfl but that's why none of us are making the decision. judge berman is making the decision and hopefully he does it by the end of the week as promised, but, hey, we'll see. we're only just in the middle, carol. >> david, you're sticking to yu your guns, right?
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>> absolutely. you know, i don't have a crystal ball and judges have disagreed with me in the past. they're wrong but they have. but judge berman has indicated that he has problems with both sides' arguments and i think that's probably in a role of a mediator more so than serving as a federal judge, and he will serve as a federal judge when he makes his decision. and the law is pretty strong in favor of the nfl. >> we'll see what happens. >> there have been 19 cases that have been overturned, where they overturned the arbitrator's decision. so there's precedent on both sides and as david said, it will be fascinating to see. >> we will be watching every moment. rachel, david, thanks to you both. i appreciate it. still to come in the "newsroom," the man to who redesigned the slasher film genre has died. a look back at wes craven's legendary career.
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this news just into cnn, and it has to do with president obama appearing on a reality show. brian stelter is about to break the news. seriously? >> breaking news? breaking news? yes. the president is in alaska this week. he's going to be taping an episode of bear grylls reality show. since obama is up there, he will spend some time in the wilderness learning survival techniques from this reality show star. >> come on. why? >> he's joining celebrities like drew brees and zac efron and channing tatum. it was announced a few minutes ago because the president is up there. they're talking about climate change in alaska. >> the episode will air while the president is still president? >> yes, it will air later this year. this white house has tried very hard to use new types of media, lots of entertainment forums to
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get his message out. this one though, this is one of the most extreme versions. we're talking about extreme survival techniques. can i read my favorite line? >> please. >> president obama will become the first u.s. president to receive a crash course in survival techniques from bear grylls. this president having so many firsts including now -- >> okay. i have a headache now. but what a perfect time to play a scene from one of the wes craven movies. let's do that right now. >> do you like scary movie? >> uh-huh. >> you never told me your name? >> why do you want to know my name? >> i want to know who i'm looking at. >> i was hoping it started with drew barrymore screaming, but we have to talk about wes craven because he was a legendary filmmaker, and we've lost him. >> a maestro of horror haas he was described overnight. it really is -- it's rare to have someone so dominant in a genre as wes craven was in horror. he made other movies as well but obviously best known for "the
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nightmare on elm street" and "scream" and so many others. mtv right now as a remake of "scream" as a tv series airing right now. you think of "swamp thing" and "vampire in brooklyn" and it's something he was able to own really, that genre he was able to own. of course, his family saying he died of brain cancer last night. >> how old was he? >> 76. >> well, we will miss him. >> he defined and then redefined the horror genre. and then there are even parodies of the "scream" movie. a lot of people will be logging onto amazon wanting to rewatch some of those films. >> i still can't get over president obama. i'm sorry. he's going to be on this reality show and he's going to be learning survival skills. he'll be fully clothed and everything. >> we'll have to tune into nbc -- >> it's not like "naked and afraid"? >> no, this is called "running wild." i presume at some point
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president obama will talk about climate change and reinforce the message he's trying to send in alaska this week. >> which is an important message so i hope that does get out. brian stelter, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> thank you so much for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour with berman and bolduan" starts right now. killed in cold blood. the man accused of shooting an officer execution-style appearing in court right now. but was the deputy targeted because of his uniform? america's new political party, the mad as hell caucus, and donald trump not the only candidate getting their help. how high will the second-place guys go? and the tallest peak in north america just got a new name. or an old one. and the president just managed to tick off a whole state and delight another. hello, everyone. i'm john berman. kate bolduan is off. we begin with the

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